[WestNileNet] Lado

[Caleb Alaka]

Ronald,
 
It seems those interested in the Lado stuff are quite few and the audience is either bored or they have decided to politely ignore the topic. I just wanted to know whether Lado Kingdom had an army, a council of elders, a distinct language, and a king. If it had a king, was it hereditary. I wonder why other pre-colonial Kingdoms survived the colonial tsunami but not Lado. For instance we have well documented resistances in History. the Maji Maji, the Zulu, the Banyoro, e.t.c what of Lado. How come it was easily wiped out of the world map?

[gerald matua]

Dear All friends of West Nile,

I am sorry i have been out of touch for some time now. My greatest appreciation goes to those gallant members of the community who have been raising funds for the hunger project. I am very proud of them all. I will be getting in touch with Anguzu for my contributions. However , what stuck me was the manner in which the issue of Lado state is being pushed onto this forum and how this may affect our important mission of pulling the region from its current state of slow growth.

Dear friends as Alaka has rightly observed, there is lack of attention  to the lado postings. In my view this has not been because people do not know about it. Infact many people know alot however, the manner it is being brought here is threatening to turn this apolitical , non partisan and non religious organisation into a rebel realing organisation and as citizen of Uganda and West Nile region , the seceesion  (break way) ideas being pushed should stop imediately.... i may sound rude but ... i think we are better off thinking about how we can use our ideas of building the region than thinking of forming a new state.. My view is let us stick to the point of non- political organisation and as you all know ... creation of states or better still break away states has and always will not be an easy and enviable thing... so please those on the statehood matters and rebellion should form their own list serve and let the majority attend to social /economic
and educational issues in the region.

I am abit tough but i think ... i do not want to see the Opoka's ( former Guild President , MUK)  from the list serve as the reparcation are obvious. We as a region already have enough problems to grapple with.. so the state thing is a total repice for disaster.... the majority ... what is your view... are we diverting or not from the original view...

Your comments  and suggestions are welcom!!!

Thank you

Amandu Gerald Matua,RN;BNS,MNSc,PhD(c)
Dean and Senior Lecturer, School of Nursing
International Health Sciences University- Kampala
E-mail: ***@ihsu.ac.ug/***@yahoo.com
Mob:   [phone]
Office: [phone]
Fax:     [phone]
P.O.Box 7782 Kampala, Uganda
Website: http://www.ihsu.ac.ug.

The Teaching College of International Hospital Kampala




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Subject: [WestNileNet] Lado
To: "A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile" <***@kym.net>
Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 1:02 PM

Ronald,
 
It seems those interested in the Lado stuff are quite few and the audience is either bored or they have decided to politely ignore the topic. I just wanted to know whether Lado Kingdom had an army, a council of elders, a distinct language, and a king. If it had a king, was it hereditary. I wonder why other pre-colonial Kingdoms survived the colonial tsunami but not Lado. For instance we have well documented resistances in History. the Maji Maji, the Zulu, the Banyoro, e.t.c what of Lado. How come it was easily wiped out of the world map?



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[Adiga Godi]

Dear brothers and sisters,
I agree whole heartdly with Matua. This organization should not be used for other purpose other than what it was intended for- help our starving community.
This lado is 80s issue, which I thought is dead because there was no support from us. Let history teach us about trying to break away from Uganda. Biafra is a good example for those who followed problems in Nigeria after Ojuku (right!) tried to do that. We have been scatered around the world because of stupid wars and it would happen again if we tried ot go Lado way. Our neighboring countries are tired of us and no one wants to run again and  REALLY WANTS TO LIVE there!
Please let us discuss raising money and how well to use it.
That is all.
Thanks.
Adiga Godi.

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Subject: [WestNileNet] Let's be careful about Lado state thing....
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Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 2:32 AM






Dear All friends of West Nile,

I am sorry i have been out of touch for some time now. My greatest appreciation goes to those gallant members of the community who have been raising funds for the hunger project. I am very proud of them all. I will be getting in touch with Anguzu for my contributions. However , what stuck me was the manner in which the issue of Lado state is being pushed onto this forum and how this may affect our important mission of pulling the region from its current state of slow growth.

Dear friends as Alaka has rightly observed, there is lack of attention  to the lado postings. In my view this has not been because people do not know about it. Infact many people know alot however, the manner it is being brought here is threatening to turn this apolitical , non partisan and non religious organisation into a rebel realing organisation and as citizen of Uganda and West Nile region , the seceesion  (break way) ideas being pushed should stop imediately.... i may sound rude but ... i think we are better off thinking about how we can use our ideas of building the region than thinking of forming a new state.. My view is let us stick to the point of non- political organisation and as you all know ... creation of states or better still break away states has and always will not be an easy and enviable thing... so please those on the statehood matters and rebellion should form their own list serve and let the majority attend to social /economic
and educational issues in the region.

I am abit tough but i think ... i do not want to see the Opoka's ( former Guild President , MUK)  from the list serve as the reparcation are obvious. We as a region already have enough problems to grapple with.. so the state thing is a total repice for disaster.... the majority ... what is your view... are we diverting or not from the original view...

Your comments  and suggestions are welcom!!!

Thank you



Amandu Gerald Matua,RN;BNS,MNSc,PhD(c)
Dean and Senior Lecturer, School of Nursing
International Health Sciences University- Kampala
E-mail: ***@ihsu.ac.ug/***@yahoo.com
Mob:   [phone]
Office: [phone]
Fax:     [phone]
P.O.Box 7782 Kampala, Uganda
Website: http://www.ihsu.ac.ug.

The Teaching College of International Hospital Kampala






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From: Caleb Alaka <***@yahoo.com>
Subject: [WestNileNet] Lado
To: "A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile" <***@kym.net>
Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 1:02 PM







Ronald,
 
It seems those interested in the Lado stuff are quite few and the audience is either bored or they have decided to politely ignore the topic. I just wanted to know whether Lado Kingdom had an army, a council of elders, a distinct language, and a king. If it had a king, was it hereditary. I wonder why other pre-colonial Kingdoms survived the colonial tsunami but not Lado. For instance we have well documented resistances in History. the Maji Maji, the Zulu, the Banyoro, e.t.c what of Lado. How come it was easily wiped out of the world map?

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[aliga cliff]

Hullo Caleb, indeed you are right to say that the audiance either is bored or not interested on the issue of lado and I entirely agree with you. First of all I am not inerested n the type of politics on Lado and secondly if we want to develope our region, there are certainly many more issues to address than taking us back to History of the colonial time. For instance right now our members are thinking about the famine in our region, and other issues such as drug and alcohol use which seem to have reached an alarming state and  should be paid more attention. How about the detoriating Education standards in our Giant schools like Ombachi, Mvara, Koboko, Nyapea etc that are now missing among the top ten best school. Why dont we ask our selves about what has gone wrong in these schools in WestNile that you or me have gone through than talking about Lado which
is certainly not clear in our usaul History.
My view is that let us not use this forum to Politisize issue because I believe that we can do alot for our region without Politicizing issues.
I here some one wrote in this site that we organize our selves on Tribal basis (Not a a good idea). If Maracha and Terego counties have failed to agree to merge as one district, dont you think we have bigger problems as far as uniting our region for a common goal is concerned? Look it is time we abondon politisizing issues. Now that HE has suggested to grand Nyadri a district, what image are we potraying to the rest of the world by refusing to work togther.
thare comes Lado state which involves part of Southern Sudan, Eastern Congo, West Nile upto some parts of Central Africa; People do not Waste our time than to attend to more urgent matters in our region because my Children do not need to go to Exile like what happened to me!!!!
Let us attend to issues affecting Education and Health for now
Let us put our little efforts to share developmental ideas, carry joint bussiness. Those you who have bussiness skills, educate our brothers and sisters and probably link them to opportuinities. Look at the opportunities of Arua being at the Border means alot interms of opening ware houses, clearing urgeny etc.

Kindly abandon politics for now.
--- On Tue, 9/8/09, Caleb Alaka <***@yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Caleb Alaka <***@yahoo.com>
Subject: [WestNileNet] Lado
To: "A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile" <***@kym.net>
Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 1:02 PM







Ronald,
 
It seems those interested in the Lado stuff are quite few and the audience is either bored or they have decided to politely ignore the topic. I just wanted to know whether Lado Kingdom had an army, a council of elders, a distinct language, and a king. If it had a king, was it hereditary. I wonder why other pre-colonial Kingdoms survived the colonial tsunami but not Lado. For instance we have well documented resistances in History. the Maji Maji, the Zulu, the Banyoro, e.t.c what of Lado.. How come it was easily wiped out of the world map?

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[M O Luti]

Hi Cliff,
I'm in full support of your views and those of Caleb that people are not only bored or interested in the Lado issue but, I believe, people do not see this issue as a problem-solving issue.  For now, I would suggest that instead of putting our energies on discussing Ladoland, which very few of us even heard of, we should leave this discussion as a historical item.  Lado or no Lado, our people need the help they can get in order to survive. Let's concentrate on tangible developmental issues instead of diverting our attention to such 'political' matters. Discussing Lado when famine is devastating our people would be like trying to teach a history lesson or civics lesson to a hungry student. Could we feed, cloth, house and have the student live a happy  and healthy life before subjecting him/her to such intellectual issues! The point I'm trying to make here is that let's focus on some very pressing developmental issues that are paramount to our
poeple's survival.  To the advocates of the discussion on Ladoland, I would suggest that for the sake of exercising some unity of purpose in what this very important forum is attempting to achieve, just abandon Ladoland for now.
 
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From: aliga cliff <***@yahoo.com>
To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile <***@kym.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2009 10:03:28 AM
Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Lado


Hullo Caleb, indeed you are right to say that the audiance either is bored or not interested on the issue of lado and I entirely agree with you. First of all I am not inerested n the type of politics on Lado and secondly if we want to develope our region, there are certainly many more issues to address than taking us back to History of the colonial time. For instance right now our members are thinking about the famine in our region, and other issues such as drug and alcohol use which seem to have reached an alarming state and  should be paid more attention. How about the detoriating Education standards in our Giant schools like Ombachi, Mvara, Koboko, Nyapea etc that are now missing among the top ten best school. Why dont we ask our selves about what has gone wrong in these schools in WestNile that you or me have gone through than talking about Lado which is certainly not clear in our usaul History.
My view is that let us not use this forum to Politisize issue because I believe that we can do alot for our region without Politicizing issues.
I here some one wrote in this site that we organize our selves on Tribal basis (Not a a good idea). If Maracha and Terego counties have failed to agree to merge as one district, dont you think we have bigger problems as far as uniting our region for a common goal is concerned? Look it is time we abondon politisizing issues. Now that HE has suggested to grand Nyadri a district, what image are we potraying to the rest of the world by refusing to work togther.
thare comes Lado state which involves part of Southern Sudan, Eastern Congo, West Nile upto some parts of Central Africa; People do not Waste our time than to attend to more urgent matters in our region because my Children do not need to go to Exile like what happened to me!!!!
Let us attend to issues affecting Education and Health for now
Let us put our little efforts to share developmental ideas, carry joint bussiness. Those you who have bussiness skills, educate our brothers and sisters and probably link them to opportuinities. Look at the opportunities of Arua being at the Border means alot interms of opening ware houses, clearing urgeny etc.

Kindly abandon politics for now.

Post by gerald matua
Subject: [WestNileNet] Lado
Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 1:02 PM
Ronald,
It seems those interested in the Lado stuff are quite few and the audience is either bored or they have decided to politely ignore the topic. I just wanted to know whether Lado Kingdom had an army, a council of elders, a distinct language, and a king. If it had a king, was it hereditary. I wonder why other pre-colonial Kingdoms survived the colonial tsunami but not Lado. For instance we have well documented resistances in History. the Maji Maji, the Zulu, the Banyoro, e.t.c what of Lado. How come it was easily wiped out of the world map?
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From: M O Luti <***@yahoo.ca>
To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile <***@kym.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2009 9:30:06 AM
Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Lado


Hi Cliff,
I'm in full support of your views and those of Caleb that people are not only bored or interested in the Lado issue but, I believe, people do not see this issue as a problem-solving issue.  For now, I would suggest that instead of putting our energies on discussing Ladoland, which very few of us even heard of, we should leave this discussion as a historical item.  Lado or no Lado, our people need the help they can get in order to survive. Let's concentrate on tangible developmental issues instead of diverting our attention to such 'political' matters. Discussing Lado when famine is devastating our people would be like trying to teach a history lesson or civics lesson to a hungry student. Could we feed, cloth, house and have the student live a happy  and healthy life before subjecting him/her to such intellectual issues! The point I'm trying to make here is that let's focus on some very pressing developmental issues that are paramount to our
poeple's survival.  To the advocates of the discussion on Ladoland, I would suggest that for the sake of exercising some unity of purpose in what this very important forum is attempting to achieve, just abandon Ladoland for now.
 
_______________________________________________________




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From: aliga cliff <***@yahoo.com>
To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile <***@kym.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2009 10:03:28 AM
Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Lado


Hullo Caleb, indeed you are right to say that the audiance either is bored or not interested on the issue of lado and I entirely agree with you. First of all I am not inerested n the type of politics on Lado and secondly if we want to develope our region, there are certainly many more issues to address than taking us back to History of the colonial time. For instance right now our members are thinking about the famine in our region, and other issues such as drug and alcohol use which seem to have reached an alarming state and  should be paid more attention. How about the detoriating Education standards in our Giant schools like Ombachi, Mvara, Koboko, Nyapea etc that are now missing among the top ten best school. Why dont we ask our selves about what has gone wrong in these schools in WestNile that you or me have gone through than talking about Lado which is certainly not clear in our usaul History.
My view is that let us not use this forum to Politisize issue because I believe that we can do alot for our region without Politicizing issues.
I here some one wrote in this site that we organize our selves on Tribal basis (Not a a good idea). If Maracha and Terego counties have failed to agree to merge as one district, dont you think we have bigger problems as far as uniting our region for a common goal is concerned? Look it is time we abondon politisizing issues. Now that HE has suggested to grand Nyadri a district, what image are we potraying to the rest of the world by refusing to work togther.
thare comes Lado state which involves part of Southern Sudan, Eastern Congo, West Nile upto some parts of Central Africa; People do not Waste our time than to attend to more urgent matters in our region because my Children do not need to go to Exile like what happened to me!!!!
Let us attend to issues affecting Education and Health for now
Let us put our little efforts to share developmental ideas, carry joint bussiness. Those you who have bussiness skills, educate our brothers and sisters and probably link them to opportuinities. Look at the opportunities of Arua being at the Border means alot interms of opening ware houses, clearing urgeny etc.

Kindly abandon politics for now.

Post by gerald matua
Subject: [WestNileNet] Lado
Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 1:02 PM
Ronald,
It seems those interested in the Lado stuff are quite few and the audience is either bored or they have decided to politely ignore the topic. I just wanted to know whether Lado Kingdom had an army, a council of elders, a distinct language, and a king. If it had a king, was it hereditary. I wonder why other pre-colonial Kingdoms survived the colonial tsunami but not Lado. For instance we have well documented resistances in History. the Maji Maji, the Zulu, the Banyoro, e.t.c what of Lado. How come it was easily wiped out of the world map?
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[gerald matua]

Dear all,

I am glad that as i had earlier reiterated we need to be careful with this Lado thing. As Cliff, Caleb and Godi and a few others have mentioned we should stop chasing wind. Indeed it is a mirage...the picture of a  lake you see on a tarmac road as you drive along... true indeed.  The wise do not mislead. Let us put our energies on developmental issues. Thank you to all those who have put an end to this lado "misdream". May God guide and save us from this unattanable road!!!!

Amandu Gerald Matua,RN;BNS,MNSc,PhD(c)
Dean and Senior Lecturer, School of Nursing
International Health Sciences University- Kampala
E-mail: ***@ihsu.ac.ug/***@yahoo.com
Mob:   [phone]
Office: [phone]
Fax:     [phone]
P.O.Box 7782 Kampala, Uganda
Website: http://www.ihsu.ac.ug.

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[Caleb Alaka]

Sorry my mail was incomplete. If we could undermine our own Iddi Amin, how can we today imagine that we can form a state with people we already despise. Ronald has already stated that the Dinka are not part of Lado yet they are the biggest tribe in Southern Sudan. Lets not make this Lado thing sickening. We are not cowards. We cannot state boldly in black and white that we are stateless. Uganda is our state not Lado. How can some one imagine that they are waiting for the Brits to give independence. My brothers if you want Independence, fight for it. Shed your blood. Any way It is good that we have learned about our origin and History, but I will not take pride in a history of a vanquished people. We from West Nile have not been wiped out from the face of Uganda. Our struggles should be geared towards building capacity, we need more Medical Doctors, more bankers, more Permanent Secretaries, more Commissioners, more Engineers, more business men, more
Generals, more lawyers e.t.c so that we rightfully assert ourselves were we belonged in this country before we went into exile. Lets forget this Lado dream because we shall end up like the sleeping dogs which lie. Lado is not a factor in global politics. Qaddafi is thinking about a United States of Africa and for us we are thinking about what Otafiire called Obsolete Institutions of King ships, e.t.c. Lets wake up we need education, wealth and health not Lado.  

[gerald matua]

Dear All,
This lado  misbehavioiur is being orchestrated mostly by people who have little understanding of uganda today. Some are in Denmark, some US and a few in other countries.  As for us who are based in uganda  we feel strongly against any mind that is bent on confusing the right thinking west nilers. How can we think of a new state if we have failed to feed our people? When we have failed to prevent teen age smoking and mairungi... school drop out ... and so forth. I think... okuonzi and few of the others should create another list serve and stop disturbing our peace. Now we are focusing on developmental issues not how we can go to the bush. in my earlier  remark, i mentioned  i donot want to see any Opoka's... for those of you who passed  through MUK... he was one of the senior Guild presidents  who got misled by protagonist like oKuonzi who are bent on spreading harm ful information.  He eventually got killed by  Kony..,.,better still
wasted.  Therefore if I were the lado advocates  i would go back to bed and sleep because even a hen or a goat may not support the idea of break away at this point in time. Please  my friends  wake up from sleep and think of how we can save river enzau from drying and maraca from becoming adesert  and getting the Aringa to appreciate the value of productive agriculture...the list is inumerable... please let us get back to raisning money and debating  on how we shall best help guide our business  people and the leaders.. thank you all.  Over to you.
 
________________________________
Amandu Gerald Matua,RN;BNS,MNSc,PhD(c)
Dean and Senior Lecturer, School of Nursing
International Health Sciences University- Kampala
E-mail: ***@ihsu.ac.ug/***@yahoo.com
Mob:   [phone]
Office: [phone]
Fax:     [phone]
P.O.Box 7782 Kampala, Uganda
Website: http://www.ihsu.ac.ug.

The Teaching College of International Hospital Kampala
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From: Caleb Alaka <***@yahoo.com>
To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile <***@kym.net>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:17:25 PM
Subject: [WestNileNet] Lado


Sorry my mail was incomplete. If we could undermine our own Iddi Amin, how can we today imagine that we can form a state with people we already despise. Ronald has already stated that the Dinka are not part of Lado yet they are the biggest tribe in Southern Sudan. Lets not make this Lado thing sickening. We are not cowards. We cannot state boldly in black and white that we are stateless. Uganda is our state not Lado. How can some one imagine that they are waiting for the Brits to give independence. My brothers if you want Independence, fight for it. Shed your blood. Any way It is good that we have learned about our origin and History, but I will not take pride in a history of a vanquished people. We from West Nile have not been wiped out from the face of Uganda. Our struggles should be geared towards building capacity, we need more Medical Doctors, more bankers, more Permanent Secretaries, more Commissioners, more Engineers, more business men, more
Generals, more lawyers e.t.c so that we rightfully assert ourselves were we belonged in this country before we went into exile. Lets forget this Lado dream because we shall end up like the sleeping dogs which lie. Lado is not a factor in global politics. Qaddafi is thinking about a United States of Africa and for us we are thinking about what Otafiire called Obsolete Institutions of King ships, e.t.c. Lets wake up we need education, wealth and health not Lado.  

[M O Luti]

Hello West Nilers and Everyone,

In a previous piece that I wrote regarding this direction/focus diverting Lado issue, I stated that we should leave this never ending Lado fantasy as a historical issue.  I believe that some of you would agree with me that I could care less about Ladoland right now.  Once again, I urge us to focus on finding ways of getting our people out of whatever predicament they are in right now. 

Speaking of the "King Agami", I would like to make Charles Male and others that I was one of those hoodwinked by this scheme of providing scholarships to go to Europe.  Indeed, I filled one of those duplicated forms with all my particulars and wasted my meagre refugee funds to mail them to Denmark.  Personally, the Lado issue sickens me hen I begin to associate it with the "King" etc.  I'm writing about Lado for the last time and anything about it will go directly in my trash!

We should focus on development issues such as famine, education, poverty allevaiation and, may be most importantly, how we can capitalize on the strategic position West Nile has found itself in in terms of the economic potential with our neighbouring communities such as Southern Sudan, DRC and Bunyoro region. The more we talk about Ladoland the more we keep the flame of this non-developmental issue alive. Could someone (may be the host or this forum- Westnilenet) urge all of us to end this Lado discussion, please, as it's becoming, if it has not yet done so, a distraction from concentrating on the fundraising initiative.

I hope I've not offended the advocates of Ladoland.

Thanks and hope to talk more about developmental matters rather than Lado...

Mike

 
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"Speed is irrelevant if you are going in the wrong direction." (Mahatma Gandhi)
 M O Luti




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To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile <***@kym.net>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 7:39:16 AM
Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Lado


Dear All,
This lado  misbehavioiur is being orchestrated mostly by people who have little understanding of uganda today. Some are in Denmark, some US and a few in other countries.  As for us who are based in uganda  we feel strongly against any mind that is bent on confusing the right thinking west nilers. How can we think of a new state if we have failed to feed our people? When we have failed to prevent teen age smoking and mairungi... school drop out ... and so forth. I think... okuonzi and few of the others should create another list serve and stop disturbing our peace. Now we are focusing on developmental issues not how we can go to the bush. in my earlier  remark, i mentioned  i donot want to see any Opoka's... for those of you who passed  through MUK... he was one of the senior Guild presidents  who got misled by protagonist like oKuonzi who are bent on spreading harm ful information.  He eventually got killed by  Kony..,.,better still
wasted.  Therefore if I were the lado advocates  i would go back to bed and sleep because even a hen or a goat may not support the idea of break away at this point in time. Please  my friends  wake up from sleep and think of how we can save river enzau from drying and maraca from becoming adesert  and getting the Aringa to appreciate the value of productive agriculture...the list is inumerable... please let us get back to raisning money and debating  on how we shall best help guide our business  people and the leaders.. thank you all.  Over to you.
 
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Amandu Gerald Matua,RN;BNS,MNSc,PhD(c)
Dean and Senior Lecturer, School of Nursing
International Health Sciences University- Kampala
E-mail: ***@ihsu.ac.ug/***@yahoo.com
Mob:   [phone]
Office: [phone]
Fax:     [phone]
P.O.Box 7782 Kampala, Uganda
Website: http://www.ihsu.ac.ug.

The Teaching College of International Hospital Kampala
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From: Caleb Alaka <***@yahoo.com>
To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile <***@kym.net>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:17:25 PM
Subject: [WestNileNet] Lado


Sorry my mail was incomplete. If we could undermine our own Iddi Amin, how can we today imagine that we can form a state with people we already despise. Ronald has already stated that the Dinka are not part of Lado yet they are the biggest tribe in Southern Sudan. Lets not make this Lado thing sickening. We are not cowards. We cannot state boldly in black and white that we are stateless. Uganda is our state not Lado. How can some one imagine that they are waiting for the Brits to give independence. My brothers if you want Independence, fight for it. Shed your blood. Any way It is good that we have learned about our origin and History, but I will not take pride in a history of a vanquished people. We from West Nile have not been wiped out from the face of Uganda. Our struggles should be geared towards building capacity, we need more Medical Doctors, more bankers, more Permanent Secretaries, more Commissioners, more Engineers, more business men, more
Generals, more lawyers e.t.c so that we rightfully assert ourselves were we belonged in this country before we went into exile. Lets forget this Lado dream because we shall end up like the sleeping dogs which lie. Lado is not a factor in global politics. Qaddafi is thinking about a United States of Africa and for us we are thinking about what Otafiire called Obsolete Institutions of King ships, e.t.c. Lets wake up we need education, wealth and health not Lado.  


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[Kadara Kursum]

I live in the moment.

Do not allow yourselves to be diverted from the issues that you are faced with today and do not fall into the divide and rule trap. Open your eyes.

Some people have short memories and forget those who have been there for them. No problem. Many who have contributed to the region do it and do not shout over the roof tops and have done so for years and will continue to do so.

I was born in a republic and the last time l  looked the national symbol says Republic of Uganda. The cultural stuff is for community ceremonys and tourism as was in the '70's.

Quite frankly your rumblings can be offputting to those who have to be convinced to engage with issues that affect their region, let alone contribute. You do realise that we all go through the same issues the only difference is the language, geographical region and place/peoples names and time frame.

Peace.

Kadara Akujo



 



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From: M O Luti <***@yahoo.ca>
To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile <***@kym.net>
Sent: Friday, 11 September, 2009 16:03:24
Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Lado


Hello West Nilers and Everyone,

In a previous piece that I wrote regarding this direction/focus diverting Lado issue, I stated that we should leave this never ending Lado fantasy as a historical issue.  I believe that some of you would agree with me that I could care less about Ladoland right now.  Once again, I urge us to focus on finding ways of getting our people out of whatever predicament they are in right now. 

Speaking of the "King Agami", I would like to make Charles Male and others that I was one of those hoodwinked by this scheme of providing scholarships to go to Europe.  Indeed, I filled one of those duplicated forms with all my particulars and wasted my meagre refugee funds to mail them to Denmark.  Personally, the Lado issue sickens me hen I begin to associate it with the "King" etc.  I'm writing about Lado for the last time and anything about it will go directly in my trash!

We should focus on development issues such as famine, education, poverty allevaiation and, may be most importantly, how we can capitalize on the strategic position West Nile has found itself in in terms of the economic potential with our neighbouring communities such as Southern Sudan, DRC and Bunyoro region. The more we talk about Ladoland the more we keep the flame of this non-developmental issue alive. Could someone (may be the host or this forum- Westnilenet) urge all of us to end this Lado discussion, please, as it's becoming, if it has not yet done so, a distraction from concentrating on the fundraising initiative.

I hope I've not offended the advocates of Ladoland.

Thanks and hope to talk more about developmental matters rather than Lado...

Mike

 
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"Speed is irrelevant if you are going in the wrong direction." (Mahatma Gandhi)
 M O Luti




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From: gerald matua <***@yahoo.com>
To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile <***@kym.net>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 7:39:16 AM
Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Lado


Dear All,
This lado  misbehavioiur is being orchestrated mostly by people who have little understanding of uganda today. Some are in Denmark, some US and a few in other countries.  As for us who are based in uganda  we feel strongly against any mind that is bent on confusing the right thinking west nilers. How can we think of a new state if we have failed to feed our people? When we have failed to prevent teen age smoking and mairungi... school drop out ... and so forth. I think... okuonzi and few of the others should create another list serve and stop disturbing our peace. Now we are focusing on developmental issues not how we can go to the bush. in my earlier  remark, i mentioned  i donot want to see any Opoka's... for those of you who passed  through MUK... he was one of the senior Guild presidents  who got misled by protagonist like oKuonzi who are bent on spreading harm ful information.  He eventually got killed by  Kony..,.,better still
wasted.  Therefore if I were the lado advocates  i would go back to bed and sleep because even a hen or a goat may not support the idea of break away at this point in time. Please  my friends  wake up from sleep and think of how we can save river enzau from drying and maraca from becoming adesert  and getting the Aringa to appreciate the value of productive agriculture...the list is inumerable... please let us get back to raisning money and debating  on how we shall best help guide our business  people and the leaders.. thank you all.  Over to you.
 
________________________________
Amandu Gerald Matua,RN;BNS,MNSc,PhD(c)
Dean and Senior Lecturer, School of Nursing
International Health Sciences University- Kampala
E-mail: ***@ihsu.ac.ug/***@yahoo.com
Mob:   [phone]
Office: [phone]
Fax:     [phone]
P.O.Box 7782 Kampala, Uganda
Website: http://www.ihsu.ac.ug.

The Teaching College of International Hospital Kampala
________________________________







________________________________
From: Caleb Alaka <***@yahoo.com>
To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile <***@kym.net>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:17:25 PM
Subject: [WestNileNet] Lado


Sorry my mail was incomplete. If we could undermine our own Iddi Amin, how can we today imagine that we can form a state with people we already despise. Ronald has already stated that the Dinka are not part of Lado yet they are the biggest tribe in Southern Sudan. Lets not make this Lado thing sickening. We are not cowards. We cannot state boldly in black and white that we are stateless. Uganda is our state not Lado. How can some one imagine that they are waiting for the Brits to give independence. My brothers if you want Independence, fight for it. Shed your blood. Any way It is good that we have learned about our origin and History, but I will not take pride in a history of a vanquished people. We from West Nile have not been wiped out from the face of Uganda. Our struggles should be geared towards building capacity, we need more Medical Doctors, more bankers, more Permanent Secretaries, more Commissioners, more Engineers, more business men, more
Generals, more lawyers e.t.c so that we rightfully assert ourselves were we belonged in this country before we went into exile. Lets forget this Lado dream because we shall end up like the sleeping dogs which lie. Lado is not a factor in global politics. Qaddafi is thinking about a United States of Africa and for us we are thinking about what Otafiire called Obsolete Institutions of King ships, e.t.c. Lets wake up we need education, wealth and health not Lado.  


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[aliga cliff]

Thanks Alaka, I entirely agree with you. Lado should not be a big Agenda but Education should, wealth creation and above all unity is paramount before you even think about the dream of Lado.
See you Alaka
Cliff ALIGA Asher

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From: Caleb Alaka <***@yahoo.com>
Subject: [WestNileNet] Lado
To: "A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile" <***@kym.net>
Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 6:17 AM






Sorry my mail was incomplete. If we could undermine our own Iddi Amin, how can we today imagine that we can form a state with people we already despise. Ronald has already stated that the Dinka are not part of Lado yet they are the biggest tribe in Southern Sudan. Lets not make this Lado thing sickening. We are not cowards. We cannot state boldly in black and white that we are stateless. Uganda is our state not Lado. How can some one imagine that they are waiting for the Brits to give independence. My brothers if you want Independence, fight for it. Shed your blood. Any way It is good that we have learned about our origin and History, but I will not take pride in a history of a vanquished people. We from West Nile have not been wiped out from the face of Uganda. Our struggles should be geared towards building capacity, we need more Medical Doctors, more bankers, more Permanent Secretaries, more Commissioners, more Engineers, more business men, more
Generals, more lawyers e.t.c so that we rightfully assert ourselves were we belonged in this country before we went into exile. Lets forget this Lado dream because we shall end up like the sleeping dogs which lie. Lado is not a factor in global politics. Qaddafi is thinking about a United States of Africa and for us we are thinking about what Otafiire called Obsolete Institutions of King ships, e.t.c. Lets wake up we need education, wealth and health not Lado.  

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